From 75332.324@compuserve.com Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:57:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:57:37 -0500 From: osamah m abdullatif 75332.324@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Stop The Purple War the reason I replied to Said on the list is because he set a precedent. No one before was rude on the list. Therefore I thought everyone should read the reply. Now we should have some rules about this. Simply politeness is a given. It is sad that we should be reminding people to be polite. And the please, if you don't know. Purple Dishdashas was a topic we discussed for well over a month. Actually maybe closer to two. From May to July of 96. The flood of email on that discussion is something I happy to do without now. We can't start that discussion unless there is something new to be said. If you want we will repost some of the big messages from back then. Sadly, my hard drive has been removed and I can't do that. Someone else has to do it. Or wait until after eid and I will send it all to you. I have tried over the months to open many topics here and I have failed miserably. People just don't want to do it here. I hope you have better luck. Osamah From qalhat@siu.edu Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:50:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:50:30 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] Freedom of speeech!!!!! At 03:50 PM 1/31/97 UT, you wrote: ><<< keep answer those guys who don't have any thing >do talk about and I'm with u .. >Al-Araimi Said >>> > >This is what happens when we call for free expression. People who don't >deserve the right to speak, start babbling about stuff they have no idea in. >Al-Araimi, you're not just rude and impolite, you're ignorant too ! > Assalaam Alaikum, I have some comments and notes about this list which I wanted to share with everybody. It seems that when somebody evantually starts to contribute to the list or just express his/her ideas, Osama or Saleem try their best to cut them from the beginning. For example,I think that just after the interesting discussion about the purple dishdasha, Fahad Al-hajri started a discussion about the feasibility studies for the gas pipes between India and the Sultanate. I guess Fahad was trying to find out what happened to the 40 million dollars of the studies, what we Omanis feel about the lost money, was the studies even necessary from the beginning, etc.. I remember that Osama sent a message which I think was rude enough to close the whole subject. Also, I remember that me and Fahad posted a message about the failure of our national team in front of the fans!!!!! We were trying to construct a positive discussion about the national team.....What happened after that????????????????? You bet, we recieved messages from Saleem and Osama which were not even encouraging to discuss what we started, so we quit contributing to the list since then!!!!!!! I do not know who owns the list, but I am sure that it was created for everybody to contribute and discuss what is going on in our beloved, Oman. Sometimes we feel that Osama and Saleem own the list and they do not want to discuss anything from others unless they approve it. Brothers: Saleem and Osama, I do not really understand why did you replied to Said's message the way you did????????????????????????????????????????????????? I do not think that he mentioned your names in his message!!!!!!!!Or you just felt that the people he meant were you!!!!!!! Well, if we are talking about freedom of speech, I think everybody should have access to it. I do not understand what Saleem meant by "people who do not deserve the right to speak" Is the right to speak reserved for some people, but not all???? Please let everyone say what they want to say as long as they are not crossing thier limits. If you like what they say, you are more than welcome to contribute or add to it, and if not do not even bother to retrieve the message...And please please stop sending those hate messages(or whatever you want to call them)in public. I personally suggest what Brother Rashid said if you are willing to do so. I mean if want to send a personal messages like what you guys did, please send them in private... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How about discussing the Omani health care system: its effectiveness and efficiency???????????????? I remember one time I went to see a doctor in Muscat because I had some pain in my stomach. The doctor( Indian) prescribed some Panadol ( or Advil, Tylenol in the US) to kill the pain. The pain did not go away!! So I had to see another doctor who wrote me the same thing..... I am sure that this had happened to some of us... What do you all think about the above? Is our health system good?, effecient?, Effective?, Please all of you contribute. Thanks Hamood Al-Shoaibi p.s. Osama and Saleem take it easy, not hard. From 75332.324@compuserve.com Sat, 1 Feb 1997 06:57:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 06:57:18 -0500 From: osamah m abdullatif 75332.324@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] don't take it personally; was RE:Freedom of speeech!!!!! okay, you put the ball in my court and I, being my usually sarcastic, cynical self, am gonna run with it. This is how I am. as Hamood Al-Shoaibi wrote: >Assalaam Alaikum, wa 3alaykim >I have some comments and notes about this list which I wanted to share with >everybody. thanks for sharing, brother man >It seems that when somebody evantually starts to contribute to the list or >just express his/her ideas, Osama or Saleem try their best to cut them from >the beginning. For example,I think that just after the interesting >discussion about the purple dishdasha, Fahad Al-hajri started a discussion >about the feasibility studies for the gas pipes between India and the >Sultanate. I guess Fahad was trying to find out what happened to the 40 >million dollars of the studies, what we Omanis feel about the lost money, >was the studies even necessary from the beginning, etc.. I remember that >Osama sent a message which I think was rude enough to close the whole subject. I have no memory of this at all. please send me the offensive reply. As I remember it was my father who answered, not me. I don't know much about the topic because I wan't in Oman when all the pipeline stuff happened. The reason my father replied was because someone else wrote something to the list that offended him. Namely something about people in Oman who have loyalty to India. Remember?? >Also, I remember that me and Fahad posted a message about the failure of our >national team in front of the fans!!!!! We were trying to construct a >positive discussion about the national team.....What happened after >that????????????????? Yes I remember very well. I wrote about how disappointed I was that the Omani spectators were cheering the other team. Remember?? >You bet, we recieved messages from Saleem and Osama which were not even >encouraging to discuss what we started, so we quit contributing to the list >since then!!!!!!! So I am so powerful that I can stop any discussion? Duuuuude, I am flattered! Honestly, if I do seek to silence every discussion, then why do I keep posting messages asking people to contribute to the list? Isn't that contradictory?? Maybe I've gone schizophrenic.. If my other side ever comes here, please tell him to come home soon. We miss him. >I do not know who owns the list, but I am sure that it was created for >everybody to contribute and discuss what is going on in our beloved, Oman. Apparently.. I own the list, and sometimes I let Saleem help me run it. :-)) >Sometimes we feel that Osama and Saleem own the list and they do not want to >discuss anything from others unless they approve it. Please send all proposals to me (or Saleem) in stamped self addressed envelopes. Please include a ten dollar handling fee. >Brothers: Saleem and Osama, I do not really understand why did you replied >to Said's message the way you >did????????????????????????????????????????????????? Said's message was in response to Rashid's reply to Saleem, correct? Don't you think that what Said said (isn't this nice, that's two saids back to back) " ,,, keep answer those guys who don't have any thing do talk about and I'm with u .. " was offensive??? >I do not think that he mentioned your names in his message!!!!!!!!Or you >just felt that the people he meant were you!!!!!!! He didn't mention Saleem's name but he obviously meant him when he said it. >Well, if we are talking about freedom of speech, I think everybody should >have access to it. I do not understand what Saleem meant by "people who do >not deserve the right to speak" Is the right to speak reserved for some >people, but not all???? Saleem was just as wrong to say that. All people have a right to free speech. In fact when I asked Saleem if he had read his email he told me that he did and that it got him angry and he replied in an angry manner; and that he regretted his reply. Maybe Saleem should have sent an apology about that reply. That, however, is his prerogative. >Please let everyone say what they want to say as long as they are not >crossing thier limits. If you like what they say, you are more than welcome >to contribute or add to it, and if not do not even bother to retrieve the >message...And please please stop sending those hate messages(or whatever you >want to call them)in public. I personally suggest what Brother Rashid said >if you are willing to do so. I mean if want to send a personal messages >like what you guys did, please send them in private... Now... excuse me while I add. Wasn't I the one who kept sending messages to the list asking people to participate?? Didn't I try to answer almost all questions that I knew the answers to? hmmmm.. Didn't I translate the White Book decree and post it on the list? Didn't I............... Why am I defending myself, I didn't do anything. Besides since I own the list I can do anything I want in it. One more thing. You can pretend all you want that you have freedom of speech and raise as many topics as you want. Thankfuly, God has blessed me with a head between my shoulders and I know which messages to reply to and which ones to stay away from like the plague. There are many untouchable topics in Oman. You wanna discuss them, go ahead. Here's a question for you: why was internet service delayed in Oman? Was it for fear of pornography, or was it because of fear from freedom of information??? Discuss it amongst yourself. Don't talk to me about freedom of speech, I am one of its biggest proponents. Go back and read my posts on the subject. you want freedom of speech then you have to take the good along with the bad. And back to the purple dishdashas one last time. You know as well as I do that up until maybe ten years ago a man wouldn't be caught dead in a purple dishdasha because that meant one thing only: that he's a homosexual. Sweep it under the rug if you want. People might be buying purple now because it is cheap, but I don't know anyone who buys it because it is beautiful. 9 out of 10 persons asked answered that they thought it was white. I'd rather think that Omanis are color blind than homosexuals (although it is no secret that we have exceeded our quota in the latter too). And I believe that there should be a law banning purple dishdashas from the workplace. Osamah Abdullatif proud owner of the Oman-list http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/muscati From BICKETTB@gunet.georgetown.edu Sat, 01 Feb 1997 09:24:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 09:24:05 -0500 From: Brenda E. Bickett BICKETTB@gunet.georgetown.edu Subject: [oman-l] Brachy Therapy Hi, Osama, How are you? Hope the last few days of Ramadan are going well for you! The list certainly is stormy; hope folks get the fussiness out of their systems and can get on with discussions -- everyone has brought up some really good ideas, that would be very interesting to follow. Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you about the Brachy therapy at Washington Hospital Center. I spoke with Dr. Verghese's office. They told me that the treatment is all outpatient, one goes home the same day, with a catheter, which is removed the following day. Radiation treatment is usually included in the "aftercare". They could not give me any time ranges, as they said the aftercare varies so much with each patient. However, they did tell me that after the patient has the initial consultation (on Thurs., 30 Jan., the first available appointment was 18 Feb.), there is a wait for the surgery (if the initial consult was 18 Feb., the first available surgery date was 6 March). The initial consult includes a volume-metric study; the patient needs to follow a special diet from the nite before (liquids-only, short fast?), so he would probably need to arrive in DC at least the day before the initial consult . Now, as for the costs: the initial consult would range from $272-432. The average hospital stay (now Verghese;s office told me that one is released the same day) fees are $16,626; the average physician's fees run from $1,700-3,400 (these do not include radiology fees, which they could not give an average or range for). (The WHC folks were very helpful, even called me back the following day as promised!) But they did emphasize that the costs are approximate: if the situaltion is not very severe, it could be less than the average, more is also possible!!! Medical records needed should include: PSA, pathology results, bone/CAT scan(s), pathology slides. WHC sent some pamphlets, which I have included in a package to Isam, since I didn't have your p.o. box. Dr. Verghese's office phone: 202-877-3968. Hope this helps; do let me know if you need more info. Well, I came into the office today (Sat.) to get my desk cleared off; the piles of stuff are threatening to start an avalanche, so I had better get busy! My best to your family, Take care, Brenda From raa8@cornell.edu Sat, 1 Feb 1997 12:59:54 +0400 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 12:59:54 +0400 From: Rashid Al-Yahyai raa8@cornell.edu Subject: [oman-l] Theowner of Oman List! Salam, I just wanted to make sure that the following statment is not true" Besides since I own the list I can >do anything I want in it.". The Oman Maillist Why an Oman Maillist ? The purpose of the Oman Maillist is to bring together people - Omanis and non-Omanis - with any specific interest in Oman and to provide a forum for discussions, questions and an exchange of information. It was set up in spring 1996 by Ed Haynes of Winthrop University upon a suggestion made by Joachim Duester of the Oman Studies Centre and soon rose to a membership of around 100 list members. For technical problems at the Winthrop site, it was moved to its present address in December 1996. Whether your interest in Oman is temporary (e.g., you are preparing a trip to Oman or writing a thesis or an article on Oman for which you need information) or permanent, you can join and withdraw at any time. And, of course, it's free! P.S. Thanks God you don't!. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 301 Maple Ave. J-12 Rashid Al-Yahyai 163-Plant Sci. Bldg. Ithaca, NY 14850 Cornell University +(607)272 3035 raa8@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY 14853 ______________________________________________________________________ "The surest way to be late is to have plenty of time" lEO Kennedy From graydon@batelco.com.bh Sun, 2 Feb 1997 07:49:41 +1000 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 07:49:41 +1000 From: Graydon Colville graydon@batelco.com.bh Subject: [oman-l] Salalah development I asked the following question on the old Oman list just before it collapsed and never got a reply so I'll try again. I have heard rumours of plans for a major development of Salalah as the main port for the Gulf region. Can anyone tell me if there is any substance to the rumours and if so at what state are the plans? Thanks Graydon From azadjal@tuck.cs.fit.edu Fri, 31 Jan 1997 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: Abdul Al-Zadjali /ADVISOR Deshmukh (EE) azadjal@tuck.cs.fit.edu Subject: [oman-l] Stop The Purple War and lets talk about Tourism in Oman. I agree with Rashid Al-Yahyai lets talk about Tourism in oman, and stop talking about the purple dishdashas, any one like to wear purple dishdashas, it is his own chooic and we are not here to judge people. i have made a homepage for Tourism in Oman but if any one have more information i would like to have it so i can add it to my home page. http://www.cs.fit.edu/~azadjal http://www.cs.fit.edu/~azadjal/trav.html Abdulkareem Sonya AL-Zadjali aalzadja@fit.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:57:18 +0400 From: Rashid Al-Yahyai Reply-To: Oman-l To: Oman-l Subject: [oman-l] Stop The Purple War P.S. Tourism is such a good thing to talk about, so go for it!. From OMANI@msn.com Sun, 2 Feb 1997 00:00:12 UT Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 00:00:12 UT From: Saleem OMANI@msn.com Subject: [oman-l] The Oman List Salam every one. I have a lot to say in response to the last few messages on the list and I hope I don't miss any thing out and people I'm sorry if I bore you with what am about to say but Mr. Al-Araimi, Mr. Al-Yahyai, and Mr. Al-Shoaibi gave me no other choice but to respond in the way I'm about to. I don't know where to start from but I guess an apology is in order. I am sorry Mr. Al-Araimi that I insulted you back but I was not raised to give the other cheek whenever I get a blow to my face, no offense to any one is here intended so please forgive me. My choice of words could have been different if I weren't so agitated by your comments, Mr. Al-Araimi and when I get insulted on the list I have the right to answer back on the same list and not in a private message unlike what Mr. Al-Yahyai said <<>> If any one on this list thinks that I should not have taken what Mr. Al-Araimi said personally or in a bad way please allow me to remind you and then judge for yourself. A- <<>> 1- <<>> and <<>>Ladies and gentlemen could he have meant any one other than me, and Osamah perhaps ? I think not so I am that guy and Osamah and myself are those guys so now we know who he referred to in his message. Yes right, he didn't mention us by name as Mr. Al-Shoaibi said and I really wonder why, a question of courage perhaps??? <<>> I make it a habit that whenever I want reply to a statement some one made I quote that person so we can all know that I'm not making up facts and so that that particular person knows that he, or she for that matter, is who I mean and thus giving him or her the chance to reply back. 2- <<>> and <<>> I'm sorry I know what the color purple is and as a matter of fact it is one of my favorite colors, but obviously you have absolutely no idea to what I was talking about and that goes to you too Mr. Al-Yahyai. Obviously neither one of you, as many other current subscribers to this list, was subscribed to the list when we discussed "Purple Dishdashas" . Other new subscribers decided to keep their silence but not the two of you, and to that I have no objection because as you Mr. Al-Shoaibi said <<>> I am very much flattered by that as it only means thatOsamah and I are very convincing. So Mr. Al-shoaibi, If you believe in what you say as much as I do in what I say, defend it and don't give up. You never know, one day you might say something that I might find sound enough, and I might just be on your side for a change. Just for the record and to those of you who don't know what is referred to by "Purple Dishdashas", let me explain. "Purple Dishdashas" are those purplish dishdashas which are meant to be white. Any one who is interested in reading last summer's discussions about "Purple Dishdashas" I would be please to forward them to him or her so please just ask me. B- <<>> Okay this is something that I admit I shouldn't have said , so sue me ! I believe that every one has the right to speak and express one's views but my advise is think first, then talk ! C- As to the other matters of the ownership of this mailing list, here is what I have to say: 1- <<>> 2- Mr. Al-Shoaibi also said <<>> Mr. Al-Shoaibi, is that the best you could have come up with ? If you have any thing to say just say it and defend your point of view and as I said before you never know, one day you might say something that I might find sound enough, and I might just be on your side for a change. So don't let me or Osamah scare you off ! Express you views just like every one else does on this list, including myself and Osamah. And as they say in Arabic "Al Ikhtilaf fi al rye la wufsid lil woddi qadhiyah." Mr. Al-Shoaibi I really hope you take your own advise and don't suppress you views <<>>. Thank you Mr. Al-Yahyai for clearing that matter of the ownership of this list. I really started getting the hang of being the owner of the list or the assistant to the owner. Phewwwwwwwww, what a relief ! Saleem P.S one last thing. Al-Shoaibi said <<>> Any doctors on the list ? I think he needs a second opinion. From RyanKing@pobox.com Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:35:55 +0530 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:35:55 +0530 From: Ryan Gazder [Master of Magik & Doktor of Death] RyanKing@pobox.com Subject: [oman-l] Hello! Hi everyone, My name is Ryan Gazder. I've stayed in Muscat all my life. I've just come back from MCT in fact. I'd like to get to know some Omani friends thru the net. I'm studying Aerospace Engineering at the Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay. Excelsior Ryan King From SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Mon, 03 Feb 1997 10:05:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 10:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: SXARAIMI@ualr.edu SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Oman List Mr-Saleem and his friend ,, I'm really sorry about what had happened from me Pleas except my apologies.. Aeed Mubark Al-Araimi From 75332.324@compuserve.com Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:48:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:48:15 -0500 From: osamah m abdullatif 75332.324@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] okay, now let's let it blow over Saeed, ma sar shar. I hope we are all the better for it. Consider the matter closed, and forgotten. Let's get back to some good discussions. No one has replied about the tourism question. I am collecting my thoughts for a while. As for the Raysut port, this is no rumour. the concession has been signed I believe. Just look it up. From what I know SeaLand Shipping is going to invest something like $250 million dollars to improve the port and then use it for a certain period of time. I don't have the details. I guess a regular search on the web, or even better, Lexis\Nexis on the company will get you all the details. Osamah ps. Guys please don't be serious all the time. I see that most of you don't get the sarcasm in my last few messages. From qalhat@siu.edu Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:34 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] "Samnah 3ala 3asal" Saleem and Saeed, Thank you guys for being so sporty by offering your apologies to each other ;). I think everything is OK now, so let us go forward. p.s. LOVE ALWAYS WIN! From qalhat@siu.edu Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:47:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:47:07 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Salam: How about discussing the Omani health care system: its effectiveness and efficiency???????????????? I remember one time I went to see a doctor in Muscat because I had some pain in my stomach. The doctor( Indian) prescribed some Panadol ( or Advil, Tylenol in the US) to kill the pain. The pain did not go away!! So I had to see another doctor who wrote me the same thing..... I am sure that this had happened to some of us... What do you all think about the above? Is our health system good?, effecient?, Effective?, Please all of you contribute. Thanks Hamood Al-Shoaibi I just wanted to add the following: I was visiting one of my friends in Oklahoma, and he told me that one of his relatives in Muscat had a swelling legs. He could not move, walk, whatsoever... He went to the Royal Hospital in Bushar, and the Doc advised his family that both of the affected legs have to be removed from his body, otherwise the disease, I do not remember the name of it, will spread to the rest of the body. The family did not know what to do. So they got together and decided to take him to Bombay, India, to take a second counsultation. What happened after that??????????? The Indian doctor said the operation was not necessary and he was put on special medications for two months. The guy is walking again on his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am very confused and amazed of the story...The guy could have lost his legs forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the doctor who treated him was Indian too!!!! This and other heart-shaking stories about what is happening in our Health System are unbelievable, but real. Have anyone of you heard about something like the above story, Please contribute... In addition, the above story raises the following questions: Is the doctors who are working in Oman are certified to do what they are doing??? Are they just learning their job by experimenting on our people???????? The Ministry of Health is undoubtly doing its best in recruiting the best docs. in the world, but why do we have to go over-seas to do what can be done in Oman???? Is that because we do not trust our docs. or because we believe that the best docs are not allowed to leave their countries so we have to go to them??????I mean we have Indian docs in Oman, why Omanis still wanna go to India????????? I think this is a very interesting subject, so please contribute by telling us what do ya think about the Omani Health system. Also, if you have any stories you want to share with us, please do not hesitate.... Hamood USA p.s. The Omani Health Care System is entering a new dimensional era by introducing third party payers, or private health insurance, to its people. What do you all think????????? From qalhat@siu.edu Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:34 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Hi, How about discussing the Omani health care system: its effectiveness and efficiency???????????????? I remember one time I went to see a doctor in Muscat because I had some pain in my stomach. The doctor( Indian) prescribed some Panadol ( or Advil, Tylenol in the US) to kill the pain. The pain did not go away!! So I had to see another doctor who wrote me the same thing..... I am sure that this had happened to some of us... What do you all think about the above? Is our health system good?, effecient?, Effective?, Please all of you contribute. Thanks Hamood Al-Shoaibi I just wanted to add the following: I was visiting one of my friends in Oklahoma, and he told me that one of his relatives in Muscat had a swelling legs. He could not move, walk, whatsoever... He went to the Royal Hospital in Bushar, and the Doc advised his family that both of the affected legs have to be removed from his body, otherwise the disease, I do not remember the name of it, will spread to the rest of the body. The family did not know what to do. So they got together and decided to take him to Bombay, India, to take a second counsultation. What happened after that??????????? The Indian doctor said the operation was not necessary and he was put on special medications for two months. The guy is walking again on his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am very confused and amazed of the story...The guy could have lost his legs forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the doctor who treated him was Indian too!!!! This and other heart-shaking stories about what is happening in our Health System are unbelievable, but real. Have anyone of you heard about something like the above story, Please contribute... In addition, the above story raises the following questions: Is the doctors who are working in Oman are certified to do what they are doing??? Are they just learning their job by experimenting on our people???????? The Ministry of Health is undoubtly doing its best in recruiting the best docs. in the world, but why do we have to go over-seas to do what can be done in Oman???? Is that because we do not trust our docs. or because we believe that the best docs are not allowed to leave their countries so we have to go to them??????I mean we have Indian docs in Oman, why Omanis still wanna go to India????????? I think this is a very interesting subject, so please contribute by telling us what do ya think about the Omani Health system. Also, if you have any stories you want to share with us, please do not hesitate.... Hamood USA p.s. The Omani Health Care System is entering a new dimensional era by introducing third party payers, or private health insurance, to its people. What do you all think????????? From qalhat@siu.edu Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:48:35 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Salam: How about discussing the Omani health care system: its effectiveness and efficiency???????????????? I remember one time I went to see a doctor in Muscat because I had some pain in my stomach. The doctor( Indian) prescribed some Panadol ( or Advil, Tylenol in the US) to kill the pain. The pain did not go away!! So I had to see another doctor who wrote me the same thing..... I am sure that this had happened to some of us... What do you all think about the above? Is our health system good?, effecient?, Effective?, Please all of you contribute. Thanks Hamood Al-Shoaibi I just wanted to add the following: I was visiting one of my friends in Oklahoma, and he told me that one of his relatives in Muscat had a swelling legs. He could not move, walk, whatsoever... He went to the Royal Hospital in Bushar, and the Doc advised his family that both of the affected legs have to be removed from his body, otherwise the disease, I do not remember the name of it, will spread to the rest of the body. The family did not know what to do. So they got together and decided to take him to Bombay, India, to take a second counsultation. What happened after that??????????? The Indian doctor said the operation was not necessary and he was put on special medications for two months. The guy is walking again on his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am very confused and amazed of the story...The guy could have lost his legs forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the doctor who treated him was Indian too!!!! This and other heart-shaking stories about what is happening in our Health System are unbelievable, but real. Have anyone of you heard about something like the above story, Please contribute... In addition, the above story raises the following questions: Is the doctors who are working in Oman are certified to do what they are doing??? Are they just learning their job by experimenting on our people???????? The Ministry of Health is undoubtly doing its best in recruiting the best docs. in the world, but why do we have to go over-seas to do what can be done in Oman???? Is that because we do not trust our docs. or because we believe that the best docs are not allowed to leave their countries so we have to go to them??????I mean we have Indian docs in Oman, why Omanis still wanna go to India????????? I think this is a very interesting subject, so please contribute by telling us what do ya think about the Omani Health system. Also, if you have any stories you want to share with us, please do not hesitate.... Hamood USA p.s. The Omani Health Care System is entering a new dimensional era by introducing third party payers, or private health insurance, to its people. What do you all think????????? From ThreeNye@aol.com Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:29:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: ThreeNye@aol.com ThreeNye@aol.com Subject: [oman-l] Poems for young readers I am desperately in need of poems written by Omani authors which might be appropriate for young (ages 10-18) American readers, in translation of course. Does anyone out there have any, either in Arabic or in English? Please let me know at threenye@aol.com. My book is to be published by Simon & Schuster and all authors will receive honorariums and copies of the volume. Thanks to anyone who can advise -- the book will contain authors of the Middle East and North Africa. --Sincerely, Naomi Shihab Nye From raa8@cornell.edu Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:15:21 +0400 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:15:21 +0400 From: Rashid Al-Yahyai raa8@cornell.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Salam all, I see a good hope in Muscat, in the rural areas the case is worser. I know of a guard (door-man) who was working in Al-Hamra for about 8 years or so. I remeber him when I was a child, later on this guard was promoted to a new position. The position was a pharmacist distributing mediaction from the doctor. The clinic was in a miserble condition, and so the patients. This man does not know how to read English, think of doctor's writing. He never looked at the prescription, rather he asks people what the doctor told them or what proplem they have. The medication was in most cases Adol for everything. I am not exaggerating, but it is painfull to see the guard, pharmacist. I believe there is no supervision in the rural areas where hundreds of people waiting for hours to see a doctor. Later, it turns out to be an Adol proplem which can be bought without the hassle of waiting. Worse, the doctors in these areas give patients prescriptions for a commercial pharmacies which force the patients to buy the medications for the hope of cure. New equipment at hospitals is not the answer if there are no experts to use them. I think all Omanis rember the flow of death cases when the royal hospital first opened. Sure now, many complicated operations are carried out but still not effecient. Many sign-outs from the hospital after spending months after months with no cure. Needless to talk about the food that patients are getting in the hospitals, again emphasizing the rural areas in the picture. Certainly, out side food is not allowed, which is good if a perfect food is provided by hospitals but the fact is otherwise. Now after hundreds of private clinics open the doors as alternatives to puplic hospital. Patients treated here like an" experimental rats". It is a delima where to go when you are sick. If you go to a doctor, it is only a week until you recover. If you stay home it takes you seven days! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rashid AL-YAHYAI From qalhat@siu.edu Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:58:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:58:07 -0600 (CST) From: hamood al-shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System At 12:15 AM 2/4/97 +0400, you wrote: >Salam all, > >I see a good hope in Muscat, in the rural areas the case is worser. I know >of a guard (door-man) who was working in Al-Hamra for about 8 years or so. >I remeber him when I was a child, later on this guard was promoted to a new >position. The position was a pharmacist distributing mediaction from the >doctor. The clinic was in a miserble condition, and so the patients. This >man does not know how to read English, think of doctor's writing. He never >looked at the prescription, rather he asks people what the doctor told them >or what proplem they have. The medication was in most cases Adol for >everything. I am not exaggerating, but it is painfull to see the guard, >pharmacist. I believe there is no supervision in the rural areas where >hundreds of people waiting for hours to see a doctor. Later, it turns out >to be an Adol proplem which can be bought without the hassle of waiting. >Worse, the doctors in these areas give patients prescriptions for a >commercial pharmacies which force the patients to buy the medications for >the hope of cure. >New equipment at hospitals is not the answer if there are no experts to use >them. I think all Omanis rember the flow of death cases when the royal >hospital first opened. Sure now, many complicated operations are carried >out but still not effecient. Many sign-outs from the hospital after >spending months after months with no cure. >Needless to talk about the food that patients are getting in the hospitals, >again emphasizing the rural areas in the picture. Certainly, out side food >is not allowed, which is good if a perfect food is provided by hospitals >but the fact is otherwise. >Now after hundreds of private clinics open the doors as alternatives to >puplic hospital. Patients treated here like an" experimental rats". It is a >delima where to go when you are sick. > >If you go to a doctor, it is only a week until you recover. If you stay >home it takes you seven days! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Rashid AL-YAHYAI > > > Thank ya Brother Rashid for your contributions. I just wanted to add and ask the following questions: If the public hospitals are not that good, are we willing to pay for private care? Can all of us afford it? How accessable it is gonna be? Well apparently there are some people who go outside the country to get treated, which in turn means that the private health system in the Sultanate is suffering as the national system!! Have anybody been to the new hospital in al-qurum?(alsatti hospital) How effecient is its services? Is it the best hospital in Oman now? At last, is it adding something new to the system, or just a money oriented facility??????? From RyanKing@pobox.com Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:27:15 +0530 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:27:15 +0530 From: Ryan Gazder [Master of Magik & Mystik Arts] RyanKing@pobox.com Subject: [oman-l] Medics in Muscat Salaam Aleikum Hello everyone, To say the least, I think medical care and recuperation facilities in hospitals in Muscat like Royal Hospital and AFH (I don't know if any of you have been there, its in Al-Khoudh) are at par with the rest of the world. The main problem is with the doctors we have especially their diagnostic ability. Each doc think he knows best. But most of you reading this are undoubtedly omanis so you will not have to worry about stuff like medical bills because I believe the government gives free medical aid to all omanis. As for medical insurance, it is needed for the expatriates who might not be able to afford hefty medical fees. In fact, a simple case of a patient who needs braces on his teeth nets the doctor at least around R.O. 500 and more. One of my friends living in Al Khuwair used to go all the way to Mussan'ah for dental treatment because it was aroung 200 rials cheaper there. I'm sure even for rich omanis 200 rials is no joke. Another thing I heard, can ayone tell me if its true or not: GSM phones cost as low as 150 baizas per minute for international calls during peak hours. And an astounding 75 baizas during off peak hours. This is what I read in the GTO brochure but I still don't believe it. ma salamah From 102621.1001@compuserve.com Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:14:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:14:00 -0500 From: Jalal H. Abdullatif 102621.1001@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Purple Dishdashas Man we are back to this stupid topic again. can't u guys think of anything else or what??? and I am sick and tired of all this junk mail too, its really getting to be a pain, one day i got like 29 messages and they were all the same thing. Jalal From 9169021a@udcf.gla.ac.uk Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:03:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:03:48 +0000 (GMT) From: ms zahra al-lawatia 9169021a@udcf.gla.ac.uk Subject: [oman-l] Medics in Muscat Hello, I was just reading your message about the fees for dental treatments in oman, could u kindly let me know what is the average fee for some dental treatments and what is the private dentistry like in Oman, some experiences u have had with dentistry in oman. I am doing a study on dentistry in Oman, well right now, i am just doing an initial pilot study to see the importance and relevance of this study i would appreciate any information about dentistry in Oman from anyone. Thanks in advance. From Mutarjm@aol.com Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Mutarjm@aol.com Mutarjm@aol.com Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Dear Hamood, Greetings, If your friend's relatives in Oman, in some other time, need to get close attention and excellent medical treatment, you might suggest they consider going to a major private hospital and health center located in Santa Monica, CA, USA. That hospital has developed a new program for receiving and treating patients (and their accompanying familes/friends) from the Middle East. Features of the hospital's "burnaamaj al-3naaiya wa ad-diyaafat al-3alimiyya" include: Bilingual patient information publications, Food can be prepared according to sahria ("halal") or other preferred styles, Visitations by religious and ethnic community leaders, The staff and physicians are sensitive to their guests' concerns about dietary, cultural, religious, privacy and dignity, Guests receive fine and caring treatment in major specialities, including testing, detection and treatment of cancer, heart diseases, and children's maladies, and The hospital can arrange accommodations and other personal services for the guests' accompanying families and friends. _____ The health center also is embarking on telemedicine via T3 links for radiology, second-opinion consultations, and procedures. If you'd like details, please email me. Ahalan wa sahalan... Regard from Los Angeles, Mutarjm From SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:31:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:31:03 -0600 (CST) From: SXARAIMI@ualr.edu SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Subject: [oman-l] "Samnah 3ala 3asal" LOVE ALWAYS WIN,,,,, that is ri ght .. Brather Saleem and all the gourp members LET US GO FORWARD TOGETHER From SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:53:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:53:06 -0600 (CST) From: SXARAIMI@ualr.edu SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Subject: [oman-l] Poems for young readers Deer who need Arabic poems ,,, let me tall u that I have a book written in Arabic by my grandfather . The book include different kinds of poems. The purpose of this book is describing Public literature , history and some stories . If u intersting to have a copy of that just send me your adderss and i will be happy to send it to you. Al-Araimi Said From qalhat@siu.edu Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:30:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:30:35 -0600 (CST) From: Hamood Al-Shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: No subject At 11:14 AM 2/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Man we are back to this stupid topic again. > >can't u guys think of anything else or what??? > Brother Jalal Abdullatif, For the past few days we have been discussing the Omani Health Care system, I wonder if you can bare w/ us and share your experiences and opinions about our health system?? Hamood Al-Soaibi, Abu-Shihab From qalhat@siu.edu Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:12:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:12:33 -0600 (CST) From: Hamood Al-Shoaibi qalhat@siu.edu Subject: [oman-l] The Omani Health Care System Dear Mutarjm, Thank you for the valuable info. about the hospital. I wonder if you can send me a brochure or info. cataloge about the hospital to the following address: Hamood Salim Al-Shoaibi P.O.Box: 2881 Carbondale, IL,62902 or if you can email me w/ their phone #. `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also, I wonder if you have been to one of the Omani health facilities? If so, please share w/us your experience as far as the cost of the treatments, the physian/patient relation, the cleanliness of the facility, how accessible is the services, etc. Ma3 Assalamah, Hamood From cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:26:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:26:59 +0000 From: cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Subject: [oman-l] Poems for young readers > From: SXARAIMI@ualr.edu > Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:53:06 -0600 (CST) > Subject: RE: [oman-l] Poems for young readers > To: oman-l@leb.net > Reply-to: Oman-l > Deer who need Arabic poems ,,, let me tall u that I have a book written in > Arabic by my grandfather . The book include different kinds of poems. > The purpose of this book is describing Public literature , history > and some stories . > If u intersting to have a copy of that just send me your adderss and i will be > happy to send it to you. > >Dear Said, I would love a copy to be able to improve my own Arabic reading ability, which my Gulf state partner is trying to develop with me. Thanks very much, Craig Wallace My address is: 26 Weynton Street, Annandale, Sydney, NSW 2038, Australia (until March 1), then 10 Brilliant Street, St Heliers, Auckland 5, New Zealand My fax number (until March 1) is: 0061-2 9555 9537 Again, many thanks. Is there something from here (Australia or New Zealand) I can send you in return? Craig Wallace > Craig McL. Wallace Fax: (+61 2) 9555 9537 (Dec 20 1996 -Jan 6 1997 only): Fax: (+64-9) 5758 459 From cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:53:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:53:51 +0000 From: cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Subject: [oman-l] Re: Help with translations into Arabic URGENTLY needed Can anyone please give us the fusHa plural of "haaram"(=campus) IaU ssaaE INa (INa ICaUi) oeAnd how would one translate "Intensive" and "Semi-Intensive" for describing academic courses? Also: CaOssae Yi Ossae CaOCaE Cee CaOssae Uai Ossae CaOCaE ? many thanks Craig Wallace > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:57:18 +0400 > To: Oman-l > From: Rashid Al-Yahyai > Subject: [oman-l] Stop The Purple War > Reply-to: Oman-l > Hi Everybody, > > I have few comments on the last couple of messages from Osamah and Saleem > in their reply to Said AL-Araimi message. > > "The summer of purple dishdashas discussion was enough."Osamah. > If we are going to stop talking about issues because we already talked > about them, then there is no point in joining the list. Every day more > people joining (as wellas leaving) the list. I subscribed last month and > have no idea of what wes going on in the summer. Again if the purple > dishdash is not the type of thing people would like to talk about, then > each just throw out your ideas for discussion. I agree that people should > be sensitive to others in their response. If the message is to be directed > to one person then it is better to use the personal e-mail and not to the > whole list. > > >Saleem said, > >People who don't deserve the right to speak, start babbling about stuff > >they have no idea in. > >Al-Araimi, you're not just rude and impolite, you're ignorant too ! > > This is not the approperiate kind of answer that should be directed to Said > whither what he said was intentionally or not. If such thing has to be > said, you should send a private message to Said whose adress on the top of > his message. Sending such angrey message to the whole list is not good. > Another thing, that everybody has the right to speak openly. The right to > speak is not limited to certain class or type of people, but all. However, > each again should be considerate and sensitive to others when posting > anything on this list. One should appreciate the effort of those people who > make this list a medium for chating, free at no charge!. > > I am not defending Said in particular but calling for a better use of this > resource of info that is shared by hundreds around the globe. Iwelcome your > valuable suggestions. Thanks, Rashid. > > P.S. Tourism is such a good thing to talk about, so go for it!. > > > > Craig McL. Wallace Fax: (+61 2) 9555 9537 (Dec 20 1996 -Jan 6 1997 only): Fax: (+64-9) 5758 459 From Mutarjm@aol.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: Mutarjm@aol.com Mutarjm@aol.com Subject: [oman-l] Re: Help with translations into Arabic URGENTLY needed Greetings, Please clarify the difference/provide criteria (number of hours, core subjects or what?) which distinguish courses between "intensive" and "semi-intensive". The pair doesn't make much sense as they stand now, without context. One term used regularly in Arabic-language educational journals to describe intensive (compressed) courses is "mukath-thif" ("enmassed" or perhaps "massified"), another alternate term has been "markazzii" (concentrated or centralized) Hope these help. Perhaps other AOL friends can contribute whatever other Arabic terms they have found. _____ Please convey to your Arab Gulf friend, my felicitations on the occasion this next weekend of the auspicious occasion of Eid al-Fitr: Eidukum mubarak Ku 3am wa entum bikhair Regards from Los Angeles, Mutarjm From Mutarjm@aol.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:46:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: Mutarjm@aol.com Mutarjm@aol.com Subject: [oman-l] Re: Help with translations into Arabic URGENTLY needed Greetings, Instead of "haram" (OK) for "campus," you might use for campus (of a school or university) the construct: "Ardh al-madressa" or "ardh aljaam'3at" So, plural would be "araadhii al-madressa" etc. The "dh" = daadh The dictionaries of education terms I have give preference to the construct and no plural for Haram." ___ FWIW/BTW, the Arabic terms for community college = kuliyat al-mujtama3 (per signs in Amman, Jordan) Hope this helps. Regards from Los Angeles, Mutarjm From 106162.3627@compuserve.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:50:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:50:57 -0500 From: Joachim Duester 106162.3627@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Omani poems for young readers There are so many, many publications with poems by Omani poets published during the past ten years. Our own library holdings include around 40 poetry books and booklets published and printed in Oman in the late 1980s and early 1990s. They are mostly by young Omani poets. However, they have not yet been properly catalogued and indexed, so I cannot supply full bibliographic details and I am also unable to determine myself which poems would be suitable for a young American readership. I shall supply a list of the names of some of the authors to the Oman maillist during the next few days and leave it to our Omani friends to make recommendations. However, I think it would require a serious comparative literary study of Omani lyrics in the 1980/90s to determine which poems should be seleted for such a venture. For someone with little knowledge in the field of contemporary Arab literature - does anyone have an explanation for the abundance of modern lyrics by Omani authors as opposed to the relative scarcity of short stories and the almost complete absence (to my knowledge) of novels by Omani authors? Joachim Duester Oman Studies Centre http://www.oman.org http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/oman (this site updated today) e-mail: omandoc@pobox.com (or above CompuServe address) From 102331.1222@compuserve.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:38 -0500 From: Tommy Back 102331.1222@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] GSM Ryan Gazder, NO, the above is wrong. International call is international call whether it's on normal tel or GSM. Oman GSM is not cheap, not expensive. It is still rather underdeveloped, but GTO has plans for extensions. There are no roaming agreements with other countries yet, so you can only use it in Oman. Eid Mubarak Tommy Back From 102331.1222@compuserve.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:31 -0500 From: Tommy Back 102331.1222@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Medical care Ryan Gazter, Medical care in Oman is just as good as medical care in other countries, including USA. Possibly except for Trauma treatment which can't be compared with Europe or USA. Doctors here are competent. Few of them are Omanis, most of them are expats coming from Asia, some from Europe. As everywhere else you find doctors who "think they know best", but the majority are responsible professionals. It is true that a doctor is the one "in charge of the patient" here in Oman, but there are a number of other people involved in the dignosis of the patient: nurses, physiotherapeuts, labaratory staff etc. Unfortunately this "teamwork" here in Oman is not as developed as in Europe/USA where doctors have had to learn that the patient "is not theirs". It is for the whole institution to treat, not a sole doctor. Health care is mainly free for Omanis, BUT VERY VERY CHEAP FOR EXPATS. Dental care is another issue - it is private and expensive as everywhere else. As an European expat working in the medical field myself, I feel very safe regarding medics to stay here in Oman. Eid Mubarak Tommy Back From 102331.1222@compuserve.com Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:13 -0500 From: Tommy Back 102331.1222@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Oman Internet <-Please come by IRC #oman on EFnet. Quite a few of us are there almost nightly. Around 11:30pm Oman time during Ramadhan. Drop by for fun chat. Channel is always open. Discussion is always fun.> Osamah, What is IRC #oman on EFnet? How to get on it? To all Internet users: 1. Go to www.four11.com to register your e-mail address 2. For expats (Omanis too) who wish too keep their e-mail address after they left Oman - get your free e-mail post office forever, read your e-mail whereever you are: www.hotmail.com 3. Net2Phone works very well. Especially with a full duplex modem. = you can make a telephone call from your computer to a telephone via Internet very cheap. USA 10-15 cents per minute. Sweden 14 cents/minute. Philippines 65 cents. Not possible on Compuserve in Oman as minimum 14.400 bps is required - 28.800 for video. www.net2phone.com For computer to computer, with or without video, www.cocaltech.com Eid Mubarak Tommy Back From 75332.324@compuserve.com Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:09:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:09:57 -0500 From: osamah m abdullatif 75332.324@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] IRC <<-Please come by IRC #oman on EFnet. Quite a few of us are there almost nightly. Around 11:30pm Oman time during Ramadhan. Drop by for fun chat. Channel is always open. Discussion is always fun.> Osamah, What is IRC #oman on EFnet? How to get on it?> First you might want to know what irc is. Well irc stands for internet relay chat. more information? http://www.neosoft.com/~biscuits/ircintro.html To get on irc #oman from a TCP/IP winsock connection you need to do the following: 1) get an IRC program (typically referred to as irc clients). Although most people swear by TUCOWS sites, I am a strict Strouds disciple. go to http://www.stroud.com/win95.html and choose IRC. There you will find a list of all win95 irc clients as well as reviews for all of them. I personally advise you to download mIRC. It is probably the best and easiest to use. at least for beginners. Many people are now saying that PIRCH is better. I dunno. Anyways. Set up is nothing. And the mirc sites around the world are very helpful, here's one: http://www.mirc.co.uk 2) once you installed your client just start it up, choose a nick (nickname) for your self. connect to an EFnet server (there are many irc networks in the world. The most famous are EFnet and Undernet). From the mirc homepage: "EFnet - Eris Free net is the largest IRC network with about 20.000 online users on an average day." It is too crowded and it does put a load on the servers causing many splits and such... but it is where the action is. 3) you might find it hard to get on a server. Just keep trying. People connecting from Oman: GTO has not installed an IdentD server on its servers so many irc servers refuse to let us on them. irc.voicnet.com, irc2.texas.net, and irc.phoenix.net amongst many others do allow non identd users. Just make sure that in your settings you do enable identd. 4) once you are connected join any channel you like. although we would appreciate it if you drop by #oman. Ask any one for help. Most people are generally quite helpfull Finally, excuse this error correction: InternetPhone is at www.vocaltec.com. If you don't have a full duplex modem, but have a Soundblaster than don't worry. It can be upgraded. Just download the full duplex drivers from http://creative-ok.creaf.com/wwwnew/tech/ftp/ftp-sb16awe.html Shoof you online Osamah http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/muscati From SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:36:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:36:56 -0600 (CST) From: SXARAIMI@ualr.edu SXARAIMI@ualr.edu Subject: [oman-l] Poems for young readers well thank's Craig . I just got your mail so , Im gona send it to u as fast as i can . let me tall u something here . I have got just one copy of this book so I'm gona send u a copy of it .. OK by the way my address is 31 Fairmont Dr. little Rock AR, 72204 USA Al-Araimi Said phone # and fax are (501) 562-0958 From raa8@cornell.edu Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:41:18 +0400 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:41:18 +0400 From: Rashid Al-Yahyai raa8@cornell.edu Subject: [oman-l] Medical care Salam all, I tend to compare services in Oman with other countries in the region for that they have a lot in common. Gulf countries like UAE is much more advanced in private and puplic mediacre, the same applies to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. I am not sure of Qatar and Bahrain but I still have the feeling that they are better off. If we compare Oman to most "Thir World" countries, we find that we are doing well, on the other hand, if we compare it to European and the developed countries we find the system is far beyond. Many of the doctors are expatriats that's true, but "I think" the selection process of these docs is mostly a financial matter not qualifications or experience. This give a reason that alomst 80% of the docs are either Indians or SE Asians. In the recent years the college of Medicine at SQU has started to meet some of the demand in the Omani medical hands. I believe that the training and the teaching procedure of these new Omani docs is very good and sufficient. In addition to the 8 years at SQU with the hospital training provided, they send them to very excellent schools overseas to gain more experience. The health and pharmacological institutes will soon provide suffiecient labor in the nursing and other areas of health care. Yet, there is a long way to go for those docs to be professionals and enough in numbers. For at least the coming 20 years we still need the expatriat working force. WIth the increase in population and the new health facilities, more docts will come from overseas. The queastion is what is the criteria that are implemented in selecting the health staff. And if we had Omani docs, is the health care going to be any better? If fee applied to health care, is the money going to be oriented for a better health facilities? |||||||||||||||||||||||--------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------->>>> "The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain" D. Parton. From cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:13:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:13:22 +0000 From: cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Subject: [oman-l] Re: Help with translations into Arabic URGENTL > From: Mutarjm@aol.com > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:40 -0500 (EST) > To: oman-l@leb.net > Subject: Re: [oman-l] Re: Help with translations into Arabic URGENTLY needed > Reply-to: Oman-l > Greetings, > > Please clarify the difference/provide criteria (number of hours, core > subjects or what?) which distinguish courses between "intensive" and > "semi-intensive". The pair doesn't make much sense as they stand now, without > context. We mean 30 hours instruction=Intensive, 15 hours= Semi-intensive. We thought full-time and part-time could convey a similar dichotomy, but that too seems not to lend itself to Arabic translation very easily. Any comments? > One term used regularly in Arabic-language educational journals to describe > intensive (compressed) courses is > > "mukath-thif" ("enmassed" or perhaps "massified"), Yes this was what Ahmad tended to want to use too. A friend in Bahrain suggested : nizham kulli/nisham juz'ee > > another alternate term has been > > "markazzii" (concentrated or centralized) > > Hope these help. > > Perhaps other AOL friends can contribute whatever other Arabic terms they > have found. > _____ > > Please convey to your Arab Gulf friend, my felicitations on the occasion this > next weekend of the auspicious occasion of Eid al-Fitr: > > Eidukum mubarak > > Ku 3am wa entum bikhair > > Regards from Los Angeles, > > Mutarjm > > Craig McL. Wallace Fax: (+61 2) 9555 9537 (Dec 20 1996 -Jan 6 1997 only): Fax: (+64-9) 5758 459 From muscati@compuserve.com Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:30:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:30:03 -0500 From: osamah m abdullatif muscati@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] GSM one quick thing about GSM Oman: Roaming is now on with Qatar, Bahrain, and the UAE. It will soon be open with the UK and Netherlands. Prices in Oman are probably the lowest in the gulf (which is also true of internet oman). Service in Oman is terrible. Since they are still working with the system, we have to hold having a set opinion till the project is finished completely this summer. I think the problem is that this is Siemens first GSM system anywhere in the world and added to their inexpertise is the our terrain. But can you imagine the bad planning: the Qurum commercial area is serviced by two towers with a total of something like 120 lines/channels only. Trying to get a call through from Qurum at night is next to impossible. As if the first planning mistake of allowing all the major shopping malls to be built adjacent to each other wasn't enough. Osamah From jgorrie@paragon.on.ca Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:44:21 +0800 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:44:21 +0800 From: jgorrie@paragon.on.ca jgorrie@paragon.on.ca Subject: [oman-l] Internet Service in Muscat Can anyone enlighten me on Internet Providers in Muscat. Any specifics would be greatly appreciated. J. Gorrie From iskandar@EESUN2.tamu.edu Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:44:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:44:40 -0600 (CST) From: Alexandre Khalil iskandar@EESUN2.tamu.edu Subject: No subject testing the new mail program: does this message appear to come from oman-l@oman.org with matching Reply-to: field? sent with membership list temporarily restricted to Joachim and alex From iskandar@EESUN2.tamu.edu Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:51:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:51:01 -0600 (CST) From: Alexandre Khalil iskandar@EESUN2.tamu.edu Subject: No subject test 2 From cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:05:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:05:39 +0000 From: cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Subject: [oman-l] Re: UAE male dancers, Dan Can anyone help me with sources of information on the above, which I have just read about for the first time in Holton's "Mother without a Mask" (Motivate, UAE, 1991). I plan to write to her but am dubious of gaining anything mush further by so doing because: 1) having to use her publisher as a forwarding address seems well-nigh useless because even that company's marketing manager doesn't respond, IMHE, to enquiries about their publications [the continuing price I believe of Gulf states' entrusting managerial positions to non-Gulf nationals; in this case, as so often the case, the incumbent has a sub-Continental name] 2) the thrust of her book is very Family-Values, and she makes strong value-judgement comments against this Dan group in 2 places, labelling them 'homosexual' and "mincing and winding" at different places, though earlier she had also managed to say that they, when not dancing, looked like strong black men who were acting as guards for the wedding gifts (or some such). Does Thesiger write of them anywhere? I have read extensively on the Gulf but have not struck this name before. Can anyone on the list add more please. Are they related to the interesting tradition of 2 male dancers dancing in an unusual way in front of a singer/oud-player, a convention that one sees on many old music videos shown on Gulf Arabic-language TV channels? Thanks Craig Wallace (Fax: 0061-2 9555 9537) Craig McL. Wallace Fax: (+61 2) 9555 9537 (Dec 20 1996 -Jan 6 1997 only): Fax: (+64-9) 5758 459 From cairo@sirius.com Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:48:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:48:02 -0800 From: cairo@sirius.com cairo@sirius.com Subject: [oman-l] Re: UAE male dancers, Dan Craig -- We have corresponded once or twice, so I thought I'd take a moment to drop you a note. I heard about "Mother Without a Mask" and almost bought a copy recently while in Dubai (the price was prohibitive). I hope to be able to read it sometime in the foreseeable future. >1) having to use her publisher as a forwarding address seems >well-nigh useless because even that company's marketing manager >doesn't respond, IMHE, to enquiries about their publications [the >continuing price I believe of Gulf states' entrusting managerial >positions to non-Gulf nationals; in this case, as so often the case, >the incumbent has a sub-Continental name] I can understand and empathize with your frustration, but did you really mean to say that all/most sub-Continental employees are inept/don't give a damn and that things would be different if Nationals held these positions? alyx cairo@sirius.com From nadelman@israntique.org.il Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:31:14 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:31:14 +0200 (IST) From: Yonatan NADELMAN - 5892216 nadelman@israntique.org.il Subject: [oman-l] Islamic Studies Position Good luck to whomever is interested in the following job offer. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- AIA LIST DIGEST Jobs 96-97-s-64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:22:52 -0500 From: Nick Eiteljorg Subject: #1 Islamic Studies Position (78 lines) message forwarded for Ingolf Thuesen We apologize that some characters from the Danish alphabet can not be sent via our email and have had to be replaced. - ed. The University of Copenhagen The Faculty of Humanities The Carsten Niebuhr Institute announces a new position, Professor of Islamic Art and Material Culture. The initial appointment to this position will be for a five-year term, beginning on December 1st. 1997 or as soon as possible after that. Scientific research within this field has not previously been carried out at the Carsten Niebuhr Institute. The five-year professorship is an attempt to fit this part of the tradition of the Islamic world into the research and the education offered at the Institute. The aim off the Institute is that this five years period will result in a permanent position within this special field at the Institute. It is expected that the person appointed for this position, besides the obligation of research, will develop a structure for educational purposes within the field of Islamic Art and Material Culture. The education must be offered at B.A. and M.A. level. The applicant who is appointed to this position should also participate in working out the examination requirements for a B.A. and M.A. level within the subject. The Institute is interested in applicants who have proved scientific competence within one or several of the subjects Islamic art, architecture, material culture, and experience from archaeological field work would be valued. Applicants must be able to document a high level of original scholarship which has made a significant contribution to the area. Emphasis will also be placed on the applicant's ability to take a leading role in promoting research and the other activities of the department, as well as on teaching qualifications. The position involves teaching obligations in both the University and Open University. Since the successful applicant must be able to participate in all departmental and Faculty activities, including examination and administration, it is required that if the applicant is without previous knowledge of Danish, he or she must acquire adequate knowledge of the language within two years at most. This is a condition of permanent appointment. Applications must include full information and documentation of the applicant's scholarly qualifications and teaching experience and a full list of publications, which specify the publications the applicant wishes to be taken into account in the evaluation of his or her scholarly, teaching and other qualifications. Please, note that three copies of these publications should be included in the application. Material in electronic form - such as discs - is not accepted. The appointment committee is only required to take specific research material into account to the extent that it is necessary to make an assessment of the applicant's qualifications and it may also consider research material which has not been specified. In such cases the applicant will be asked to supply sufficient copies of it within a given time. The names of the members of the appointment committee will be sent to the applicants. The complete recommendations made by the committee will be sent to all the applicants for the position. Salary and other conditions of appointment are those agreed between the Danish Ministry of Finance and the Organization of Academic Graduates. The current salary for professors is approximately 380.000 DKK before tax. Further information about the position may be obtained from Jorgen Baek Simonsen, Director of the Carsten Niebuhr Institute, Snorresgade 17-19, DK-2300 Copenhagen S. Phone # (+45) 35 32 89 00, fax (+45) 35 32 89 26. Applications should be addressed to the Rector of Copenhagen University and sent to the Humanities Faculty, Njalsgade 80, DK-2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark, so that they reach the Faculty no later than April 2th. 1997. *********************************** From cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Mon, 17 Feb 1997 06:42:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 06:42:56 +0000 From: cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au cwallace@postoffice.csu.edu.au Subject: [oman-l] Re: UAE male dancers, Dan > From: cairo@sirius.com > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:48:02 -0800 > Subject: Re: [oman-l] Re: UAE male dancers, Dan > To: "Oman-l" > Reply-to: Oman-l > Craig -- > > We have corresponded once or twice, so I thought I'd take a moment to > drop you a note. > > I heard about "Mother Without a Mask" and almost bought a copy recently > while in Dubai (the price was prohibitive). I hope to be able to read it > sometime in the foreseeable future. What follows is not cyber-shouting, just to distinguish from your text. >PERHAPS YOU CAN BORROW IT FROM A LIBRARY. A STRANGE BOOK. WELL WRITTEN BUT I CONTINUE TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH HER ATTITUDE. SHE CAN'T SEEM TO BE SURE WHETHER IT'S OK FOR THE GULF PEOPLE TO HAVE ENTERED THE TWENTIETH CENTURY OR NOT, MAINLY BECAUSE SHE LIKED THEIR OLD LIFESTYLE MORE THAN THEIR NEW. ALSO HER OWN FAMILY SEEM TO HAVE CONTRIBUTED DIRECTLY IN THE MONEY-MAKING ENTERPRISES WHICH BROUGHT ABOUT THE CHANGES SHE SEEMS TO ABHOR. STRANGE PERSON. > >1) having to use her publisher as a forwarding address seems > >well-nigh useless because even that company's marketing manager > >doesn't respond, IMHE, to enquiries about their publications [the > >continuing price I believe of Gulf states' entrusting managerial > >positions to non-Gulf nationals; in this case, as so often the case, > >the incumbent has a sub-Continental name] > > I can understand and empathize with your frustration, but did you really > mean to say that all/most sub-Continental employees are inept/don't give > a damn and that things would be different if Nationals held these > positions? >NO, of course I know what you're saying is sensible, BUT STILL in all Western countries some nationals work well and some don't. I would much prefer to be served by/to deal with a whole country of lazy/inept Gulf nationals than encounter the socially dangerous practice that exists still in the Gulf states today. (Look at Bahrain for instance where the Shiites continue to be treated feudally while the Indians are employed at half a Bahraini legal wage and so occupy twice as many jobs as Shiites. This is vile and disgusting, and not the fault of the sub-Continentals in any way, but still the practice should be stopped, at least until all nationals have full employment first). My comment seems more silly when I returned to the business card yesterday, to re-send the fax I last sent on 2 Feb, AND am not even sure what nationality the Sales Manager is. He may be a national after all. My apologies if I upset you needlessly, but I hope the above explains the source of my anger. > alyx > cairo@sirius.com > > > Craig McL. Wallace Fax: (+61 2) 9555 9537 (Dec 20 1996 -Jan 6 1997 only): Fax: (+64-9) 5758 459 From oman@compuserve.com Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:41:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:41:53 -0500 From: Joachim Duester oman@compuserve.com Subject: [oman-l] Re: UAE male dancers, Dan Hello Craig and other friends of the Oman Maillist, Don't be to harsh on Motivate Publishing in Dubai - they are not the original publishers of Patricia Holton's "Mother without a mask" - they only reprint it for the Middle Eastern market. There is also a German edition, and I should like to know if there is a US edition, too. Does anyone know? The book was originally published by Kyle Cathie Ltd, 3 Vincent Square, London SW1P 2LX. Perhaps you rather ask them. If you want to reach anyone at Motivate, send a fax to Catherine Demangeot or Ian Fairservice (Fax +971-4-824436) and give them my best regards (they know what a nuisnace I can be when it comes to books and publishing). They should have e-mail by now, but I'm sure they hide the address! Joachim Duester Oman Studies Centre http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/oman