AW: AW: [Oman-L] Saudi citizenship/GCC citizenship

Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:15:52 +0200

Tommy,
thanks for the clarifications, but you have not upset me, and color discriptions of all in your example is just fine,

What, i'm interested is your observations and use of spesific color discription of Saudis..i'm brown..just like most of the saudis you have cosider white, but as you have noted in your example about the poor indonisian..similarly, i myself was refused gasoline in huntsville, alabama cos i was not white as a sknow.. and even the sherrif could not help! and this is not what we are interested is it?
However, Arabia is a tribal based sociaty, and everything goes along the lines of the tribal affilations..even to the point of how the ruling families are interrelated. as for the examples, I have been to saudia arabi for lots of times but never come across any feelings like yours..so why do you thing? perhaps it's what one is aware off.
all the best
abdallah
> ----------------------------------------
> From: Baeck Tommy <Tommy.Baeck@ospidal-scuol.ch>
> Sent: Thu Oct 11 16:30:18 GMT+02:00 2001
> To: 'oman-l@oman.org' <oman-l@oman.org>
> Subject: AW: AW: [Oman-L] Saudi citizenship/GCC citizenship
> 
> 
> Hi Abdallah,
> It sounds like I have upset you? or...
> I have some problems seeing the difference of white and brown. I'm supposed
> to be "white", but I'm darn brown in summer, and when I lived in Arabia. My
> wife is supposed to be brown, but she is white as snow unless I force her
> out in the skiing slopes. 
> The Saudi Ambassador in Washington is black? Good, so are two of Bush's
> closest men, doesn't make USA free of pregudism, does it?
> I'm sure you know more about the people of middle east than myself, I'm
> simply describing my observations, they might be wrong.... but watching
> Saudi as an outsider you got the feeling that the "blacks" are a little bit
> less Saudi then "white" or as you put it "brown" Saudis. And that was Omar's
> Q?
> 
> Tell you about a "color" related story from Saudi. Second hand, happened to
> a friend of mine who worked as an volontary anesthetist in Mekkah during
> Hajj. A patient arrived, hyperthermia and dehydration that processed so far
> that he started leaking blood from everywhere, and when my friend suggested
> they should transport him to a better geared hospital, he got the answer,
> "it's only an Indonesian". 
> Having worked in Saudi for ten years that answer somehow doesn't surprise
> me.
> 
> Tommy
> 
> 
> 
> Tommy,
> Are we talking about a case of Alabama Blackman verses a Whiteman or
> what??...the Saudi Ambasador to D.C. is as black as you can get, moreover,
> using the word white to discribe none arabised Arabs of the Gulf..is like
> calling the Nordic people blue!!
> the real arabs of the Al-Jjazira and Yemen are first brown and there's a
> great deal of intermarraige between these "white" Arabs and the "Blacks" as
> you put it..it's totally based on your tribe affliation and today more than
> anything else..MONEY..or Offficial Position..Also, the whole Ben Jellawi are
> dark skinned  Tribe originally of Hubshi of Yemen. Today they are the second
> in line Royals of Saudi Arabia..hence, that's how Prince Bander is
> black....!!
> As for the Citizenship in Saudia..yeah, i agree it's bit funny!, but again
> that's there way and it's must be respected.
> now then, Tommy can you please talk somthing you are really well informed.
> all the best
> abdallah
> > ----------------------------------------
> > From: Baeck Tommy <Tommy.Baeck@ospidal-scuol.ch>
> > Sent: Wed Oct 10 10:58:18 GMT+02:00 2001
> > To: 'oman-l@oman.org' <oman-l@oman.org>
> > Subject: AW: [Oman-L] Saudi citizenship/GCC citizenship
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Omar,
> > 
> > A child born in Saudi will NOT be a citizen of that country. In fact, it
> is
> > really difficult for anyone to become a citizen nowadays in Saudi. First,
> > you have to be a Muslim. Second, you got to have the right connections.
> The
> > better connections you have, the quicker you become a citizen if you live
> > there.
> > I don't think there's a difference between a Saudi National and a Saudi
> > Citizen.
> > Blacks in Saudi: have the same rights as all the other Saudis, there is NO
> > discrimination. BUT, one has a feeling................... You never (or
> > rarely) see intermarriages between "White" and "Black" people in Saudi. 
> > Fairly much the same applies to Oman. The Omanis from Zanzibar are not
> > black, some of them possibly mulattos. They are descending from Omanis who
> > once migrated to Zanzibar.
> > 
> > Tommy Back
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have a question that has been bugging me for quite some time. I am an
> > ethnic
> > Arab Muslim living in the USA and I have always wondered if a child born
> in
> > a
> > country like Saudi Arabia is automatically a citizen.
> > If not, what does it take for a person born in Saudi Arabia to get
> > citizenship
> > and what is the difference between a Saudi national and a Saudi citizen if
> > there
> > is any. Another question is: Since I have noticed that there is a lot of
> > black
> > Omanis, I am pretty sure that Oman has always been known as a place for
> > people
> > coming from different places like Omanis from Zanzibari descent for
> example.
> > My
> > question is: How integrated are the black Omanis into the society, are
> they
> > primarily seen as "immigrants" or do they have their own Omani identity?
> > What
> > about black Arabs in countries like Saudi Arabia and 
> > the UAE? I truly appreciate any honest reply on this
> > 
> > Jazakhallah khair
> > 
> > 
> > Omar Ahmad al Taariq
> > 
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