[Oman-L] demonstrations
Franklin Wayne Poley
culturex@vcn.bc.ca
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:55:43 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, AbeOnline wrote:
> gents/ladies, i would definately have joined in if i was in oman..it's call public outcry, citizen engagement in public politics, freedom of expression, and moreover, how could one justfy that two wrongs make right..6000 deaths in america for 6000 in afghanistan..or anywhere else..that's revenge with capital R..
> abdallah
> Dubai, The Arabian Gulf
IMO the undercurrents are even more sinister than that. Iran, Iraq and
Syria, are all "terrorist nations" in NWO books. It is the geopolitical
centre of the Muslim World which is being set up in a vice-grip between an
Afghanistan, occupied by nuclear powers and Israel, occupied by nuclear
powers. I expect the military invasion of Iran, Iraq and Syria to proceed
from both directions, Israel and occupied Afghanistan. This is nothing
less than a major military play for totalitarian control of the
planet. After the Muslim World is subjugated completely and under control,
China will be the last resistance. Afghanistan is again, ideally
positioned for an attack on China from the West; Korea and Taiwan from the
East. Same vice-grip strategy but on a bigger scale.
FWP
> > ----------------------------------------
> > From: Tommy Erik Bäck <tommyback@compuserve.com>
> > Sent: Sat Oct 27 02:36:28 GMT+02:00 2001
> > To: <oman-l@oman.org>
> > Subject: RE: [Oman-L] demonstrations
> >
> >
> > There were also demonstrations against the United Forces forcing Iraq out of
> > a country they had invaded, doesn't mean they were right. As for the
> > demonstrations today, they now demonstrate for innocent losses caused by the
> > Americans, which are a fraction of the losses Taleban has caused inside
> > Afghanistan. Where were those peace loving people when women were stoned to
> > death by the Taleban? Could it be so that the Radical Islamists has done a
> > good PR job?
> >
> > Differently from many of you, I am convinced Osama bin Laden was behind the
> > WTC crime. There are too many coincidences falling together - Massoud killed
> > by bin Laden before the attack, also the telephone call to his mother
> > stating that something special would happen the 11th, All suiciders had
> > connections with bin Laden, and why would Taleban just at this moment take
> > western hostages without reason? You see what you want to see. I am not on
> > Americas side in this battle, but it's all too obvious bin Laden is behind
> > it.
> >
> > This is not a war against helpless people. Taleban has started a war against
> > helpless people though, torturing and killing their own people, forcing
> > women to become beggers or prostitutes as they cannot support themselves by
> > normal work as they once could. The Americans are NOT TRYING to hit
> > civilians, but war is war and Taleban are parking their tanks outside the
> > mosques and using the civilians' homes as quarters. So I think America is
> > caring more about the civilians that Taleban itself.
> >
> > The WTC was the last drop, before America acted. Before that it was the
> > Embassies in Eastern Africa, Cole, and so on. And it's obvious bin Laden is
> > behind it. And Bin Laden is protected by Taleban. Seeing it from Americas
> > point, they have no other choice than to go after Bin Laden, and that means
> > going after Taleban. And honestly, I think more lifes will be saved should
> > Taleban fall, they can be compared with Kmer Rouge and the Nazism in their
> > intolerance and hatred of people. They call themselves Students of the
> > Koran, but would anyone claim their practice is Islam practice? If America
> > wouldn't answer to this attack, they would be very vulnarable in the future,
> > that's their beleive. To bring them to justice? How would you do that? Just
> > grab Taleban and bin Laden and lift them over to USA? haha
> > Unfortunately for bin Laden he chose a goal that united the people and
> > governments in the whole western world, where 80 % are for the American war,
> > and most Arab governments join. Even more unfortunate, these Westerners are
> > also seing the Palestinians as a part in the terror game after the
> > unfortunate demonstrations of happiness by some foolish Palestinians after
> > the WTC hit. WTC was hardly an American target, it was a whole western world
> > monument with people from nearly 200 nations. Most Europeans were
> > pro-Palestinian before WTC, not now.
> >
> > Americans will never understand that they are to blame for what has
> > happened. Not that they created Bin Laden and Taleban, but with their Middle
> > Eastern politics and the gun in the back of Arabia. Their support of a
> > murderous regime that keeps Palestinians stateless from birth to death,
> > living like guest workers in their own country. Like you I agree with SOME
> > of bin Ladens goals, but absolutely not with his methods or his view on
> > Islam. He is using desperate people for his own mean goals, and he cares
> > less than the Americans for how many Afghan civilians are falling. He is
> > full of EGO and what he wants. He doesn't care for the masses and their
> > needs.
> > The only Afghanis against Americas attack are the Talebans and their
> > supporters in Pakistan while non extreme Pashtus and the Northern Uzbeks and
> > Tajiks are for what is now happening. I am just amazed how little Arab
> > critics there is on Taleban who treats their women worse than dogs.
> > Remember, not only the Americans are in Afghanistan. Arabs has been a part
> > of the repressive Taleban for a long time, and they should get out of there,
> > they have no more right to interfere in Afghan politics than the Americans.
> >
> > It's impossible to bring bin Laden to court. Would he end up in an American
> > prison waiting for death, America would be a tenfold target than today.
> > Therefore they have no intention of taking him. He will be killed.
> >
> > Right, the western world has betrayed their Arab alleis. More sad, the Arabs
> > themselves are their worst enemies. Why is it that Arab nations cannot unite
> > in their support for the Palestinians, and themselves. Why is Iraq wasting
> > it's sources on useless wars on Q8 and Iran and mustard gasing it's own
> > people? A united Arabia can force Israel to an honorable peace between
> > those two people. But as somebody said, they are busy kissing the Americans
> > hands.
> > The Palestinian couse is an honorable couse. But it seems as soon as a
> > Muslim holds a gun and shoot a non-Muslim, he is a freedom fighter. Arab
> > money has supported and created the Philippine Islamic Jihad, and most of
> > them are nothing but criminals, killing for the fun of it.
> >
> > The American action might or might not create more terrorists. It's not like
> > the Israeli invasion of Lebanon with 17500 civilian deaths, or the USA
> > bombing of Balbak. It's an action supported by many Afghanis and that might
> > be their luck if everything goes right. Those mostly opposing are those who
> > doesn't have a clue what Taleban stands for, in Indonesia or Malaysia. But
> > honestly, bin Laden is NOT DOING THIS FOR PALESTINE, he is exploiting their
> > misery. He is only interested in his Islamic fundamentalism. Islam is
> > everything for him, people not. But he pretends, cheats and lies, just like
> > America.
> >
> > For the sake of all Arabs I hope his time is soon over, cause his tactics
> > are causing an enormous "Antiarabism" in the western world.
> >
> > If anyone would like to chat with Afghanis about the recent events and see
> > what they think you can do so on www.afghan-web.com
> >
> > Tommy
> >
> > In response to Peter B Rowland question regarding demonstrations in Oman,
> > I would like to remind everyone that there were demonstrations against war
> > in many Arabic and Islamic cities as well as some European capitals and I
> > believe in other parts of the world.
> >
> > I understand the demonstrations in Oman were carried out by students of
> > the Islamic (Sharia) college who were expressing their dismay with the
> > prospect of war in an Islamic country where civilian lives are put at risk.
> > I believe that those students feelings are akin to many other peace loving
> > people around the world who are against wars and the killing of more
> > innocent people.
> >
> > What happened on 11 of September was horror beyond any imagination and
> > nothing justifies such gross atrocities and loss of human life. It is
> > deplored by all Arab/Muslim countries and Arab/Muslim people, save for Iraq
> > (for obvious reasons)! However, even the enormity of this criminal act of
> > terror cannot be put right by waging war against helpless people. There are
> > many in the region who think that this is a knee-jerk reaction and a lust
> > for revenge to safe face and credibility of the world's most powerful
> > nation. They see it, therefore, as an unjustified war which would only
> > prolong the suffering of this poor country, and creates more destitute and
> > angry people willing to take revenge ever increasing the cycle of terror.
> > Demonising people and societies will only compel them to go that way and we
> > all suffer as a consequence.
> >
> > To many the objectives and targets of this war are not clear nor is the
> > end result. People are very apprehensive about the somewhat vague, war
> > mongering unfortunate statements of 'western' leaders, the constant change
> > of the goal post and the possible wide spread of the war against other
> > so-called 'terrorist' states. Many people do not trust or believe in the
> > many nebulous and convoluted promises of western leaders and recall the
> > similar promises made during the Gulf crisis, which came next to nothing
> > when the war was over. They see that since WW1 western leaders not only did
> > not fulfil their many promises but have constantly betrayed their Arab
> > allies. The only promise that the west has made in the region and continue
> > to support was the Balfour declaration which has only been a main source of
> > suffering, conflict, instability and terror in the region. There is a whole
> > baggage of historical mistrust and misconception.
> >
> > There are many people who think that the evidence against ben Laden is
> > suspicious and there are many things that don't fit or stack up. Moreover,
> > people question that, even if Ben Laden was the culprit of this awful act,
> > if there is no other way to bring him to international justice short of
> > terrorising the whole country? Terror committed by a state does not make it
> > legal or more plausible. Perpetrators should be brought to justice but the
> > ends don't justify the means. The majority of the people are against terror
> > of all sorts and kinds and believe that not only terror should be eradicated
> > but so should its sources and reasons. There is a strong belief that war and
> > the build up of the international coalition should have been less military
> > and more human to eradicate poverty, inequality, injustice, the lack of
> > education and the lack of opportunity and the uncertainty of the future. The
> > war aims should have been to give those disparate and less privileged people
> > in Afghanist! an and around the world a chance and a glimpse of hope for a
> > better life not more destruction and more killings.
> >
> > An US-made Osama bin Laden and Taliban were/are ostracised by many Arabic
> > and Islamic countries and only very few disparate people followed him.
> > However, although hardly anyone approves of his means and methods many
> > people identify with his cause and approve of his main objectives of:
> >
> > 1-Israel withdrawal of Palestine
> > 2-US forces to leave Arabia.
> >
> > Let's face it, Ben Laden or no Ben Laden there is no reason why Israel
> > continues to occupy Palestinian/Arab lands defying international law and
> > constantly humiliating the Palestinians and the Arabs. Occupation and
> > domination is a main source of terror and Israel is viewed in the region as
> > a terrorist state (created by terror and continues to do so) which is
> > supported by the US/west. When Arabs are attacked with American arms they
> > see this as a US conspiracy against them. Arabs do not hate Americans nor
> > westerns but hate their uneven policies in the area. Islam is not against
> > the west and people who portray this clash of civilisation are plainly
> > wrong.
> >
> > If the presence of US forces are viewed with suspicion in the region then
> > a formula could easily be found for an 'over the horizon' protection. In
> > fact the reason for Gulf state's protection would be less wanting if US
> > policies were more enlightened, accommodating and even. This should not be
> > viewed as succumbing to terror but doing the right thing is always right,
> > Ben Laden or not. Recent events should focus our attention.
> >
> >
> > Believe it or not the war is winning Ben Laden more sympathy and support
> > which he did not have before. People see him and the Taliban as the underdog
> > or David v. Goliath. He is so far winning the public relations war and if
> > the war continues and with it civilian causalities he is bound to get more
> > sympathy and support. The coalition seem to have run out of options and ran
> > out of more targets to hit and according to the BBC Taliban defences have
> > not been that badly weakened. I believe the Pentagon is floating a public
> > tender for new ideas as to what to do next!
> > Well, how about the US, having opted for military action, should now try
> > to get Ben Laden and bring him to international justice ASAP with less
> > suffering and damage to the people of Afghanistan? How about embarking on a
> > public relations exercise to win the heart and soul of the billion or so
> > Muslim people (and other third world people)? How about an even-handed
> > policy in the Middle East and help sorting out the Arab-Israeli conflict and
> > the creation of a Palestinian state? How about spending the money not on
> > arms building but on health, education, economic growth and alleviating
> > poverty, injustice and inequality in the world and being more understanding
> > to cultural diversity instead of global domination?
> >
> > regards
> > Abdulla
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 24/10/2001 20:51:48 GMT Daylight Time,
> > rowland@dataxinfo.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Subj:[Oman-L] demonstrations
> > Date:24/10/2001 20:51:48 GMT Daylight Time
> > From: rowland@dataxinfo.com (Peter Rowland)
> > Sender: oman-l-admin@oman.org
> > Reply-to: oman-l@oman.org
> > To: oman-l@oman.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was surprised to see demonstrations in Oman in respect of the
> > Afghanistan
> > "war" on "western" television and would like to learn more about the
> > reasons and feelings of the Omanis that took part and willing to let me
> > know directly and off list.
> >
> > I am not interested in the views or opinions of expatriates.
> >
> > Peter B Rowland
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